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Post by Karalightyear on Dec 27, 2003 1:39:02 GMT -5
I didn't exactly know where to put this topic. It concerns Mira, but also Buzz in equal amounts so it couldn't have gone in either places. I was going to place it in fanfiction since I guess this kinda concerns it, but not really it's more concerning peoples invisions of certain things, and it's not a story, just my ranting. So it was eithere here or in the one about the movie but it concerns the TV series more then it does the movie I think. Anyways enough excuses you were obviously lured here by the title and will either want to rally behind me or bite my head off, if it's the first, then yay ! The second, HA! Bring it on . Being a fan of BLoSC I have followed it around the net from art to fan fiction to sites in all different languages. Basically it is now the only way you can really get more into the show and expand. I've had conversations with friends and yada yada, and it amazes me how many people think that Mira and Buzz go together. I say amazes because I would have thought people could be more intellegent then that. People see "Oh she's a girl, and he's a guy and they are both really good Rangers so they must like each other." BULL FODER! For one they obviously drive each other nuts half of the time. Buzz is used to being in charge and would never let anyone else tell him like wise, Mira is the same and used to making her own rules and if you think she'll let Buzz tell her what to do outside of a work relationship where he's her commanding officer you gotta be nuts. Neither would back down from one an other and compromising every little thing is no way to live a life. At the end of the day they both like to go home and just be away from one another. I mean come on, I bet you have a best friend, opposite gender or not, that you pal around with at work but you have your arguements, and when you go home you complain about them and are happy to get away from them. Also if we are going to be technical here Buzz technically age wise has to be in his 40s or something like that, and Mira has to be in her early twenties. Big huge age gap. I mean he is old enough to be her father allright. Speaking of fathers that brings us to the King Nova factor. King Nova, biggest biggot in the galaxy. You think he would ever condone such a thing? Nope he would do everything in his power to keep her from the "Space Monkey". Who knows what he would do. And then there is the fact that they are professionals. Being professional rangers they know to keep relationships out of work and the only relationships allowed are friendships. Like any job there has to be rules concerning work and relationships. Both of them are there to do one thing, defend the galaxy at all coasts. I shall quote Buzz from the episode "Gravitina" "There's only room for one lady in my life, Star Command" or something along those lines. He's married to his job. I will use evidence from the episode "Tag Team" Buzz goes to his house and the place doesn't look like is has been lived in EVER. he's painting and washing like he had never been there. In fact he vaguely remembers which house is his. He pulls his hot rod out of the garage and talks as if he hadn't started that engine since his first year at the academy. He wouldn't have time for a relationship until he started to realize that you can actually work a regular 40 hrs like everyone else. Star Command is his entire life. Mira also can do better then Buzz and find someone younger and less egotistical. Someone that can coexist with her demands. (I don't have a lot of examples for her really because the show really doesn't focus on her as much as it does Buzz) Now I'm not picking on any of them and saying they don't get along, because when you are on a team you have to get along or else the team dosen't function. In fact Mira, Buzz, Booster, and XR are all really good friends I will now quote Buzz from the episode "Planet of the Lost" "Were like a family really". Friends who do anything for one another because they are friends, not because they "like" each other. I will quote Mira from "Mira's Wedding" "If my friends aren't invited then there isn't going to be a wedding!" A bit irrelevent but notice the word she chooses "FRIENDS" not "boyfirend" or anything like that, she lumps them all together as friends. Not specifically saying "Buzz". In fact I don't remember her freaking out because she wasn't marrying someone on her team, but because it was aranged and she wasn't allowed to choose. Not to mention that it would coast her her job. From the "friend's" side I belive it was XR and Booster who were crying like babies while Buzz was like "I don't like it and I fell it was wrong." sure he came to the rescue but that was because he felt that there was going to be some sort of attack on Tangea, not because he couldn't bear it any longer. I don't know why people think this but is it because they can't invent their own character? Not creative enough for that? Or is it simply because they only see as far as male and female? If we are going to go into because he treats Mira differently then he does Booster or XR then I can tell you why also. Booster and XR are boys and Mira is a girl, Buzz I think then also has fallen into the old tale that girls are fragile and blah blah blah also. He feels he has to protect her from everything simply because she is a girl. Kinda like a big brother and a little sister (trust me I know all about it). Also he feels he as to protect not only because being a Space Ranger and protecting and defending is like second nature to him but because of what happened to Warp. He vowed nothing would happen to a Ranger ever again because of him or what sort of bounty was on his head by Zurg. He feels conected to Mira like he was Warp because she was the first partner assigned to him after Warp's " death". Now if we want to go all the way back to him coming from the future to the past to save her from dieing I ask you this, if you had the technology to go back to the past and save a friend from dieing, wouldn't you do the same? To make this long story short, Buzz and Mira are in no way shape or form attracted to each other. Just because one is a girl and one is a guy and they happen to be the top of the station and on the same team means jack. Both of them deserve respect and putting those two together is disrespecting both characters. Thank you and good night. Kara.
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Jan 1, 2004 21:01:35 GMT -5
I have to totaly agree with you on this. A Buzz and Mira pairing is just wrong on SOOOO many levels for the reasons listed. I don't think I can add on to your list it pretty much covered all angles. I like Mira as a character, but as a pairing with Buzz *shudders* no no and NO! You have to think of the character's best interests and stuff, and that is not doing what is in Buzz or Mira's best insterests. You have to respect the characters that were created. Now sure you can go out of the lines a bit, like I gave Buzz a little more flaws, gave him a bit more characteristics, but I kept it all within his character. You can take what you have and bend it a little, but pairing Buzz and Mira up is bending it a little TOO far in my opinion. That is the equivilent of taking a dog and a cat and sticking the animals in a small box and shaking it up to see what would happen. One big 'ol fight that's what. Friends should stay friends, esspecially if you work with your firends. They should never become lovers. And if Buzz is supposed to be as old as 40 (of course I toned him down to 26 lol because I couldn't bare the fact he was THAT much older then me ^_^) then he shouldn't be with someone that much younger then him, it's OK if they had never met on a work based relationship but this is different. So there is my 2 cents.
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jan 10, 2004 14:21:34 GMT -5
You know, I also agree on this point and ironically I was also thinking about bringing it up here (heh, as they say, great minds think alike). I don't know if there's much I can add to your list either, Kara - you've said it so well. I mean, sure, it has been said that opposites attract, but this is totally not true when it comes to these two characters. I'm sure if Mira and Buzz ever DID pair up, there would be alot of conflict in their relationship and it probably wouldn't last longer than, say, a couple weeks at most. Now, I know this has almost nothing to do with the subject title, but since this category is about the TV series, I'll just kinda expand on the subject of Buzz and Mira's incompatability with something else that came to mind. You know, I have always gotten the impression, since I've seen the series, that Mira and Ty might be a good match instead. Before anyone starts to ask billions of questions or something, I'll make my case. The writers haven't included much interaction between the two, but I do have a pretty good idea of each character's personality. Mira seems to be much more sensitive (as girls usually are) to the way someone else feels and Ty's the kind of character who could use someone like that. And Mira needs someone - like we said - who's not quite as egoistial and Ty seems to fit that description well. He doesn't boast alot and, usually, he's very concerned about the safety of others more than himself. A couple of examples of that would be, "You have to leave the planet - you're all in danger!" (Wirewolf) and "Hey! Unhand my former commander!" (Revenge of the Monsters). Also, Mira might appreciate the fact that, when he realizes he's done something wrong, he has enough guts to admit it - and I know a few guys (my brother included) who have trouble doing that. Lol. A good example would be: "I. . .guess I never told you this before, but. . .thanks Buzz." (Wirewolf). Even Buzz admits that his academy buddy's a good guy and stubbornly sticks up for his credance during the Wirewolf trial at Star Command. Another credable point I can make is that Mira seems to like Ty - at least in the friendly way - and, I dunno if it's just me, but she treats him as though he were part of their team instead of just some casual aquaintance. Sure, she must know he was Buzz's best friend for quite a few years - next to Warp Darkmatter - but I don't know if that would make much difference in the way she treats him or not. From what I've seen, she sticks up for Ty during his trial, puts herself in the way of XL's net to save him, seems to worry about him as much as she would Buzz or XR, and seems to get along with him very well. Another thing I've noticed is that Ty's nicer, speaking directly to her (in Wirewolf) than he is to anyone else in that episode. And another plus there, is that if Mira dated a ranger, then there wouldn't be the problem of leaving Star Command and Team Lightyear, until either her father died or she retired. Of course that bring up something you already mentioned, Mira's father would be the biggest problem. As stated, he'd abhor the idea of her seeing a "Space Monkey", but as Mira said on the episode 'Star Crossed', "I can take care of myself now." So she's become quite an independent person since her teenage years. If she'd try to hook up with Romac again like she did in that episode - against her father's wishes and completely behind his back - then she would probably have no problems dating just about anyone she wanted to. As far as Mira's concerned, it's obvious that she's not going for all that 'organized marrage' stuff no matter how much her father pushes her. So, there ya go. As you can see, I looked into this and made sure that it wasn't just some silly concept - like people are doing so often with poor Buzz and Mira. ^_^ Lol. Cuz, as you guys do, I just hate it when people put two characters together just because they're opposite genders or just because they think they would look good together. Like Linn (SpazRanger) said, it would be disrespectful to both characters to think that such incompatable people as Buzz and Mira or Buzz and Ozma (ick) would become a couple. Okie dokie, I think I've said enough. I'll get off my soapbox now. Heh. - Joy
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Jan 11, 2004 0:40:14 GMT -5
Great minds do think alike because what we speak is all true ^_^. I mean it's not right to do that to Mira and Buzz! Yeah I could see all that. Makes a heck of a lot more sense then Buzz and Mira deffinately. I never looked too deeply into the character of Ty Parsec as that, so no arguments here .
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Post by Karalightyear on Jan 11, 2004 13:46:11 GMT -5
You know, I also agree on this point and ironically I was also thinking about bringing it up here (heh, as they say, great minds think alike). I don't know if there's much I can add to your list either, Kara - you've said it so well. I mean, sure, it has been said that opposites attract, but this is totally not true when it comes to these two characters. I'm sure if Mira and Buzz ever DID pair up, there would be alot of conflict in their relationship and it probably wouldn't last longer than, say, a couple weeks at most. It is the force . But then again nope, we can't deni what is true. 2 weeks? Hmm I wouldn't give it 2 seconds. It would be like the Britany Spears wedding, 5 seconds and already looking for the nearest place to get an anulment. Only in their case it would be a mutual agreement. If there are ever two things in the galaxy that make me mad it's people who don't think and pair Mira and Buzz up, and Ozma Furbana. Which could be narrowed right down to people who don't think because in both cases I don't think people were usung their brains too well.
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jan 11, 2004 14:47:55 GMT -5
If there are ever two things in the galaxy that make me mad it's people who don't think and pair Mira and Buzz up, and Ozma Furbana. Which could be narrowed right down to people who don't think because in both cases I don't think people were usung their brains too well. Lol. No arguement here.
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Post by MiraElizabeth on Jan 11, 2004 23:19:09 GMT -5
I never agreed with any Mira/Buzz pairings in fandoms. Mira is just not on the same level as Buzz. Their life situations are totally different, Buzz being devoted to Star Command and Mira being devoted to the organization as well, but also carrying the burden of her duty to Tangea. She will one day have to take her place as Queen and I highly doubt that the Tangeans would ever accept a human as her consort. That leaves a pairing between the two of them completely out of the question.
And I see Buzz and Mira as being totally incompatible. Buzz would I think overshadow and in someways smother Mira and I don't think she could tolerate that. She already shows her frustration with him, poking fun at his ego and his preoccupation with himself. ANd in "Enemy Without A Face" I think Mira's anger at him (when the squishy thing was on her neck) was genuine, albeit supressed.
Now the Ty/Mira thing I can't really see (although I do think she was flirting with him in the one scene when they all are coming in from the outside after having just arrived and she's playing with her hair) mainly because he is human. I think Mira is capable of straying from the ideal Tangean mate her father would want for her, but I don't think she'd stray too far. And don't know how the whole Romac thing would work for her, but they obviously care for one another.
Poor Mira. She even fall in love without it being a big deal.
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Jan 13, 2004 11:51:54 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. Deffinately don't want to tick off the people you are in charge off. They just wouldn't allow a human. Who knows, they might go into overthrow mode or something. And on Buzz's side too I don't think he would ever want to be involved in royalty or politics. It would take away from his being a Ranger.
Yeah that's what I got out of the episode "Enemy Without a Face" too. It seemed to bring out all the surpressed and faint agression from the people. Booster's love for food, Buzz's always wanting to be in charge, and Mira's frustration with Lightyear.
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Post by Buzz Lightyear on Jan 13, 2004 21:42:31 GMT -5
I agree fully with everything. Hmm I don't think I can add to be big long list of why it just would not work. I don't believe there is anything anyone could say that would get me to believe a thing like that.
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jan 17, 2004 15:00:01 GMT -5
And I see Buzz and Mira as being totally incompatible. Buzz would I think overshadow and in someways smother Mira and I don't think she could tolerate that. She already shows her frustration with him, poking fun at his ego and his preoccupation with himself. ANd in "Enemy Without A Face" I think Mira's anger at him (when the squishy thing was on her neck) was genuine, albeit supressed Yeah, like you both said, I too got that impression from "Enemy Without a Face". Everyone's little annoyances and anger (involving one thing or another) just surfaced and boiled over, after being attacked by those leeches. I never agreed with any Mira/Buzz pairings in fandoms. Mira is just not on the same level as Buzz. Their life situations are totally different, Buzz being devoted to Star Command and Mira being devoted to the organization as well, but also carrying the burden of her duty to Tangea. She will one day have to take her place as Queen and I highly doubt that the Tangeans would ever accept a human as her consort. That leaves a pairing between the two of them completely out of the question. Now the Ty/Mira thing I can't really see (although I do think she was flirting with him in the one scene when they all are coming in from the outside after having just arrived and she's playing with her hair) mainly because he is human. I think Mira is capable of straying from the ideal Tangean mate her father would want for her, but I don't think she'd stray too far. And don't know how the whole Romac thing would work for her, but they obviously care for one another. Poor Mira. She even fall in love without it being a big deal. Poor Mira is right. Heh. But you do have a very good point there, being that the Tangeans would probably hate to see a human become part of their royal family line. They probably view other beings in the same way King Nova does. And I also agree that the "species barrier" would be a very decisive factor in any of Mira's relationships. Poor girl. However, I do believe that a human isn't too different - in appearance and physical makeup - than a Tangean. So, I wouldn't really call that "straying too far", myself. Mostly because, as far as I've seen on the series, a human is probably the closest "outer species" to a Tangean. And, who knows? Perhaps Mira having a relationship with a human could change the Tangeans' views on what they probably believe to be "space monkeys". They seem to think that anyone who's not a Tangean is primitive and dumb. That's probably because King Nova has tried to keep them out of other planets affairs and, mostly, out of contact with anyone but other Tangeans. Heck, the guy didn't even want to join the Galactic Alliance because his views of other beings were so distorted; he thought they would be much better off protecting their own planet from Zurg than joining the Alliance. It was as though he couldn't trust the "primitives" to be smart enough to be of any help to them (although, I also think it's because he preferred to be in charge of Tangean security himself). Then boom, he gets kidnapped and all the Tangean royals can think of to do is have a meeting, all the while Zurg is trying to make off with their King. Zurg would have succeeded too, if Buzz and Mira hadn't done something about it. But anyways, Mira seemed to be the only Royal with a good head on her shoulders, so I wouldn't blame her if she began looking a little outside her species for a mate. So, perhaps, once they actually knew what a "space monkey" was really like, some might change their opinions on them. Even King Nova seemed to have a little change of heart towards Buzz and the rest of Team Lightyear in the episode "The Planet Destroyer" and "The Starthought". But, that's just my opinion - I thought it was worth bringing up. Oh yeah, and I didn't notice that Mira-flirting-with-Ty thing until I saw "Wirewolf" again. However, you're right. Lol. I think I even saw her batting her eyelashes a couple of times too as she was doing her hair. Very cute. - Joy
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Jan 17, 2004 22:11:17 GMT -5
maybe this is off topic but it's relating to previous sayings ^_^ hehe.
I think King Nova seems to have a bit of a tollerence for Booster and maybe XR. I haven't seen him bash them quit as much as Buzz, maybe because Buzz poses a bigger threat to him being that Buzz always has something to throw his two cents into and be hardheaded about. But then again that's just my opinion and maybe I'm not looking hard enough, lol wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by MiraElizabeth on Jan 18, 2004 0:47:23 GMT -5
Totally OT, but I wanted to know what other people thought since I'm having a prob with a fanfic stalker.
Stalker Chick told me I was wrong for writing in Buzz as the one who has to deliver Mira's child in my story "Changes." Stalker Chick said it was not Buzz and he would pass out.
I say that Buzz would help Mira. I think he would wish it was anyone else but him, but I think he would've delivered her baby during a crisis. I think his training would set in (being that he's military/police, they would have training in common medical issues like most civil service personnel do) and he would do his duty to help someone in need.
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jan 18, 2004 12:31:21 GMT -5
Totally OT, but I wanted to know what other people thought since I'm having a prob with a fanfic stalker. Stalker Chick told me I was wrong for writing in Buzz as the one who has to deliver Mira's child in my story "Changes." Stalker Chick said it was not Buzz and he would pass out. I say that Buzz would help Mira. I think he would wish it was anyone else but him, but I think he would've delivered her baby during a crisis. I think his training would set in (being that he's military/police, they would have training in common medical issues like most civil service personnel do) and he would do his duty to help someone in need. Hmm, I don't see anything wrong with Buzz delivering Mira's baby. I, too, believe that Buzz would be trained enough to handle such a thing during a crisis, if it was neccessary. And I'd highly doubt that he'd faint - sure, he probably wouldn't want to do such a thing in the first place, but I can't see him fainting. So, my deduction? I think that Stalker Chick needs to watch more BLofSC. Lol. She obviously needs a refresher in the character personality department. And, referring to Linn's post, I agree that King Nova does have a bigger issue concerning Buzz than the other members of Team Lightyear. No arguments here as to why either. Hee hee. - Joy
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Post by MiraElizabeth on Jan 18, 2004 18:28:19 GMT -5
I think that it's because Buzz that initially got Mira interested in Star Command to begin with and is what took Mira away from her home. I get the feeling Mira is an only child (and possibly motherless since you never see her mother) and Buzz influencing Mira to leave her home and to put herself in danger on purpose probably brought about some of King Nova's over-protectiveness and hostility towards Lightyear. He sees Lightyear as taking his child from him (and putting her in harm's way which would be not only bad for Tangea in that they would lose the heir to the throne, but King Nova would lose his only child) and for causing the tensions between father/daughter. I think that he has issues with accepting that his daughter would rather listen to Lightyear than him. The guy's old school, he thinks the way Tangeans have thought for centuries (kind of like King Triton in The Little Mermaid with his disdain for humans and their world) and it will be his daughter who will more than likely begin the changes on her world. I think Mira will stray and not marry a Tangean, but I'm not sure if it would be a human she chooses.
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Jan 19, 2004 0:47:42 GMT -5
Totally OT, but I wanted to know what other people thought since I'm having a prob with a fanfic stalker. Stalker Chick told me I was wrong for writing in Buzz as the one who has to deliver Mira's child in my story "Changes." Stalker Chick said it was not Buzz and he would p sit uppon out. I say that Buzz would help Mira. I think he would wish it was anyone else but him, but I think he would've delivered her baby during a crisis. I think his training would set in (being that he's military/police, they would have training in common medical issues like most civil service personnel do) and he would do his duty to help someone in need. I agree with you and Ty on this one. Stalker chick obviously doesn't know what she is talking about. Not to mention it's your story you can have whomever the frick you want to deliver the child the way I see it. You're writing the story not her. I mean being a Space Ranger he probably sees death all the time, gory gory stuff that they can't show in the cartoon because well it's Disney, so with having that I'm sure he would have the ability to stomach something in the time of a crisis. I mean sure he maybe won't want to and probably verry uncomfortable with it but in the time of crisis you really don't have a choice now do you? Especcially when it concerns a friend. I believe Buzz is very loyal to his team and friends, he would do almost anything for them. And being military or whatever Star Command is I think that they are probably all trained for the worst and probably had to take a health clas somewhere down the road. So I don't see anything wrong with it at all . Ohh and I love your mira on your sig ^_^! Cute!!
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