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Post by Ranger Parsec on Sept 9, 2004 13:35:40 GMT -5
I was watching "Ancient Evil" today and got to wondering. . .Does anyone think - if they made another season - that Warp would eventually become a good guy again? I mean, in "Ancient Evil", he sorta was on the good side for awhile. He helped Team Lightyear take down Natron and saved Buzz. Even in "Tag Team", he couldn't bear to leave Buzz behind with those aliens. But, yet, he doesn't seem to want to leave everything he has as a villian. So, I was wondering what you guys thought.
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Post by RangerWagner on Sept 9, 2004 14:55:51 GMT -5
When I saw those episodes I thought the same you'd written; If can be a good side in Warp. I think that nobody is the evil personified (tho Buzz thinks that Zurg is ;D); everybody has a good and a bad side, tho some people are more evil than good and vice verse. I think that Warp really has a good side, a little conscience inside him that sometimes come up to the surface; But he should change a lot to return to Star Command tho that's is Buzz greatest wish. Something very revealing should happen in Warp's life to decide to change.
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Post by RedRage on Sept 9, 2004 17:25:16 GMT -5
i kinda thought of that when i saw the episode with those aliens experimenting on him and buzz, at the end he could have left buzz with them, but he didn't with the lame excuse that the car wasn't automatic
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Sept 10, 2004 14:11:27 GMT -5
When I saw those episodes I thought the same you'd written; If can be a good side in Warp. I think that nobody is the evil personified (tho Buzz thinks that Zurg is ;D); everybody has a good and a bad side, tho some people are more evil than good and vice verse. I think that Warp really has a good side, a little conscience inside him that sometimes come up to the surface; But he should change a lot to return to Star Command tho that's is Buzz greatest wish. Something very revealing should happen in Warp's life to decide to change. Yeah, I agree with you. Everyone has at least a little good in them - some more than others. So, yeah, I think Warp still cares about Buzz, but that's seems to be about the extent of it. He probably wouldn't join the good side unless something important happens to make him change his mind. i kinda thought of that when i saw the episode with those aliens experimenting on him and buzz, at the end he could have left buzz with them, but he didn't with the lame excuse that the car wasn't automatic Yeah. I also got the drift that Warp's claim about the car not being automatic was just an excuse to come back for him. Lol.
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Post by RedRage on Sept 10, 2004 14:53:53 GMT -5
let's see....you can drive a space ship but you can't drive a manual O.o....nope i don't buy it
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Post by RangerWagner on Sept 10, 2004 17:34:45 GMT -5
I agree with you and with Joy. It's a very bad and poor excuse. If you hate enough someone or you are very evil you try to drive this car whatever happens!; you don't go back to pick your "arch enemy" up to make him drive the car!!!. Bad excuse, very bad. I think Warp learnt the lesson and decided not to put more bad excuses when he did some thing good like in "Ancient Evil" I don't no which is the phrase but when Buzz said suprised to Warp that he'd saved his life Warp said he ought to do it or something similar ^^; tho, is this phrase a little excuse too
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Sept 11, 2004 8:00:07 GMT -5
I on the other hand don't think Warp would become a good guy. I don't think he'll leave the lap of luxery. When he joined forces with Zurg he got a ton of money which enabled him to buy his own moon complete with a huge manshion, servents, and a pool. So I doubt he would leave his riches and go back to Star Command working for his old pay again and doing twice the work. Warp likes to be lazy and have others do his work for him, if there's a short cut he'll find it. That's why he used Buzz as a decoy when entering the Clorm's labratory. He's too much into cheating and tricks to want to go back to Star Command. Plus Buzz annoys the heck out of him. Warp also likes to make Buzz mad, a lot. He gets a kick out of ticking Lightyear off. So yet another perk to being evil. I don't think that the fact that he can't drive stick shift was an excuse. I've tried driving stick before and it is really difficult. You can stall the vehicle pretty easily. And if you're used to automatic then going to stick which you've never used would be extremely difficult. I mean if he's trying to get away and he can't work the stick shift and he doesn't use the clutch and stalls it the Clorms could have easily got him and then he would be back were he started from, on the verge of cranial disection. Once again all due to the fact that Warp is lazy and gets others to do his work, therefore he got Buzz so Buzz could drive the stick shift instead of him having to struggle and figure it out on his own so they could get away safer and save his own butt.
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Post by RedRage on Sept 11, 2004 15:07:18 GMT -5
i disagree with you, if you gotta scape, you scape. i know that thieves stal cars even if they don't know how to drive. my aunt's car got stolen by thives a year ago, the guy was 17 and didn't know how to drive. he forced her to tell him the basics of driving, because he was taking the car. and it was a manual.
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Sept 11, 2004 21:08:55 GMT -5
i disagree with you, if you gotta scape, you scape. i know that thieves stal cars even if they don't know how to drive. my aunt's car got stolen by thives a year ago, the guy was 17 and didn't know how to drive. he forced her to tell him the basics of driving, because he was taking the car. and it was a manual. Well anyone can drive manual. Everyone knows from the time that they are little gas is on the right brakes are on the left step on the gas turn the wheel and go. Manual is pretty self explanitaory. Even on the shifts p is for park d is for drive, once again elementary. It's much easier to escape in a manual car because you don't have to worry about jamming gears and stalling your engine. The hard part is not driving like an idiot, controling speed, and judgeing distance. Stick shift is a little different, you have to know when to shift step on the clutch and mind your speed all at the same time, and if you are in a hurry to go somewhere you are not going to have the time to be calm and sit there and remeber all that, you'll panic and jam the gears and stall the engines and bascially be a sitting duck because as you try to restart the vehicle you have now flooded the engine and you are not going anywhere fast. Not only that but Darkmatter won't take the time to do all that, it's much easier to blast the door down and get the man who knows how to work it. That's how Warp opperates, whats simpler? What's quicker? What takes as little thought, work, and effort on his part as possible? He had alwaysed used Buzz to his personal advantage to get ahead and save himself headache in the past, so why change a habbit?
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Post by RedRage on Sept 11, 2004 21:26:03 GMT -5
nah still doesn't convince me, if he was avsolute evil (say level 13 XD) he would have left buzz with the aliens
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Sept 11, 2004 21:50:42 GMT -5
nah still doesn't convince me, if he was avsolute evil (say level 13 XD) he would have left buzz with the aliens Why leave Buzz with the aliens? That would have spoiled all the fun of haveing the satisfaction of killing Buzz himself. Zurg wants Lightyear alive, Zurg wants to have the satisfaction of watching his archnemisis die. He couldn't have been left with the Clorms because one, leaving Buzz with the Clorms and having him killed would have been the worst thing the writers could have done. I mean why kill off the main character? It just isn't done in Disney cartoons. Children can't handle the anialation of a hero, that's a bit extreme. Two having Warp leave Buzz behind would have left Warp in a really bad light with the audience. If he would have done that the audience would have hated Warp right then an there. And ther goes the sales on his merchandise (what little of that they had of him). It's not the Disney way. They wanted to create a villian people could like. A villain who's fun. There's Warp. Being that he is not the main bad guy leaving the hero in a situation like that wouldn't have been his move, that would have been Zurg's move. And being that Warp was in so few episodes he really needed to act likeable but yet evil in all shots, he doesn't have much time to woo the audience like the rest of the characters do. Warp would never give up his riches and posessions to go back to Star Command. He knows that being evil has gotten him way better stuff and a lot more money then the path of justice ever did. He's selfish, he won't give his things up. Plus he doesn't have to work as hard for it like he did at Star Command, no paper work, no dealing with bossy annoying Lightyear, which is right up Warp's alley. He doesn't really care one way or the other, just who's paying the bigger bucks. Lieing, cheating, sneaking around, stealing, is what he does, that's his game. If he was played any eviler he would outshine Zurg and they didn't want to have another bad guy outshine their main man, Zurg. It would confuse the audience, mainly children, as to who was the bad guy, dominacne needs to be asserted so Warp's evilness is downplayed against Zurgs to create a sense of stability. He can never reach the full sadistic evilness of Zurg because then he would assert himself as the bigger bad guy and throw of that hierarchy of evilness. Being a Disney kids show things need to be kept simple and down played like that in order to keep the intrest and attentions of the children.
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Post by RedRage on Sept 11, 2004 22:22:53 GMT -5
Why leave Buzz with the aliens? That would have spoiled all the fun of haveing the satisfaction of killing Buzz himself. i think thats what he had in mind when he first left him, but then he went back, we have diferent opinions on why he did that. Why leave Buzz with the aliens? That would have spoiled all the fun of haveing the satisfaction of killing Buzz himself. Zurg wants Lightyear alive, Zurg wants to have the satisfaction of watching his archnemisis die. He couldn't have been left with the Clorms because one, leaving Buzz with the Clorms and having him killed would have been the worst thing the writers could have done. I mean why kill off the main character? It just isn't done in Disney cartoons. Children can't handle the anialation of a hero, that's a bit extreme. . no matter what, no matter how. he won't die, his name is in the tittle, he would have got free one way or another, the srcipt is on his side, and as you said, its a kids show. If warp had left him he would have sneaked out some way, or maybe back up would have got there out of the nowhere. Warp would never give up his riches and posessions to go back to Star Command. He knows that being evil has gotten him way better stuff and a lot more money then the path of justice ever did. He's selfish, he won't give his things up. Plus he doesn't have to work as hard for it like he did at Star Command, no paper work, no dealing with bossy annoying Lightyear, which is right up Warp's alley. He doesn't really care one way or the other, just who's paying the bigger bucks. Lieing, cheating, sneaking around, stealing, is what he does, that's his game. thats true, i never said he was ever gonna go back to sc, i said that he wasn't all that bad. warp is just like kim possible's counter part, that girl that wears green and has black hair. Although i do see her as evil as she could be and i don't see warp as absolute evil, and if she has done stuff like warp....well.....i don't watch kim possible very often i have only seen like 4 episodes ;D i hope this doesn't sound too agressive thats not what i want, i'm showing what i think, thats all :s
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Post by RangerWagner on Sept 12, 2004 7:31:08 GMT -5
OK, "Tag Team" is a not a very clear episode because Warp could save Buzz to can save his own life. I don't think it because if you want to escape, you escape. Buzz could escape in that episode without Warp's help. He always do it!!! He's Buzz Lightyear!!! He always have a way to escape. In other hand, yes Warp is selfish, veeeery selfish. Lazy. no, no way, he always do all Zurg's hard job. In fact in some episodes he put excuses to avoid go to work because Zurg aaalways uses him to do all his job and all his crazy and evil plans. He likes a lot luxory and money: Yes, a very huge yes, that's the reason why is very difficult that he returns to the Star Command. But we'are forgetting "Ancient Evil" episode. Warp saved Buzz's life risking his own life, when he had no reason to save Buzz. He was on the floor, very relaxed, young again and when Natron powers failed he went to rescue Buzz from the bomb explosion. He would have died in that explosion with Buzz. Both of them were enveloped inside shock wave!!!. He saved Buzz's life, not XR who could save Buzz's life too better than Warp because he'd not suffered all process to put back his life and age. he decided to save Buzz's life and that's not a very easy way. The most easier would have been to leave Buzz's life in XR hands but he decided to do it by himself risking his life. Warp really has a good side.
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Sept 12, 2004 9:20:45 GMT -5
no matter what, no matter how. he won't die, his name is in the tittle, he would have got free one way or another, the srcipt is on his side, and as you said, its a kids show. If warp had left him he would have sneaked out some way, or maybe back up would have got there out of the nowhere. That's what I just said. They can't kill off the person the show is named after, it's typical of all shows. But I also said that if Warp had left him there to die it would have left Warp in a bad light with the audience, nobody would like Warp after that and that's not what they wanted.
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Post by Spaz Ranger on Sept 12, 2004 9:35:53 GMT -5
OK, "Tag Team" is a not a very clear episode because Warp could save Buzz to can save his own life. I don't think it because if you want to escape, you escape. Yes but as I said before driving stick shift is a whole other ball game from driving automatic. He wouldn't have time to deal with the problems of stalling the engine and flooding it because he doesn't know how to work it. And Warp is not the kind of person to sit there and try to figure it all out on his own, he would have never made it far and would have been captured quickly by the Clorms. It's much easier to blast something and to get the man who can opperate it, saving him a lot of trouble in the end. Buzz could escape in that episode without Warp's help. He always do it!!! He's Buzz Lightyear!!! He always have a way to escape. That's what I said, I also said that if Warp did leave him there reguardless if Buzz escaped or not it would have left Warp in a bad light with the audience, after that nobody would have liked Warp, it would have been bad for his character. In other hand, yes Warp is selfish, veeeery selfish. Lazy. no, no way, he always do all Zurg's hard job. In fact in some episodes he put excuses to avoid go to work because Zurg aaalways uses him to do all his job and all his crazy and evil plans. He makes excuses to stay home because he is lazy. You rarely see Warp doing anything physical, he always sends the hornets to take care of the hard part, giving him time to do the easy part, steal whatever it is Zurg wants. All through the academy he had gotten Buzz to do his work, Warp is always looking for the easy way out. But we'are forgetting "Ancient Evil" episode. Warp saved Buzz's life risking his own life, when he had no reason to save Buzz. He was on the floor, very relaxed, young again and when Natron powers failed he went to rescue Buzz from the bomb explosion. He would have died in that explosion with Buzz. Both of them were enveloped inside shock wave!!!. Exactly he would have died too. That's his motivation. Plus if it wasn't for Buzz he would have died back on Planet X, he was just repaying a debt, but after that they would meet as enemys. And once again if Warp would have let Buzz die he would have been left in a bad light with the audience, the audience would have hated him right then and there. Not only that but doing that would have made him overshadow Zurg in evilness, they couldn't allow it. And when everyone else is frozen there's nobody to rescue the hero, so someone needed to make it a happy ending, it's all part of the plot. The most easier would have been to leave Buzz's life in XR hands but he decided to do it by himself risking his life. . XR wouldn't have saved Buzz, XR probably wouldn't have thought that far in advance.
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